During her Emmy acceptance speech last night, Sally Field said that if mothers ruled the world, there would be no war. She won her Emmy portraying a mother. This to me is the epitome of foolishness. She is so ignorant of the Muslim world where not only do mothers themselves strap on bombs and make war on occasion but they are proud of their martyr children that make war against the perceived enemy.
She may never understand that we will only have peace when the rest of the world adopts America's Judeo-Christian values regardless of whether they practice Judaism or Christianity.
-Jeremy
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Hello again :) Patriarchal cultures have tended from a historical perspective to be more violent than matriarchal cultures, only because there has never been a historic matriarchal culture, because men would never give up power. Also, unless I am incorrect, which I have been before, women do not rule in Islam. Also, human beings will react violently to preserve their lives, except for Christians of course, because Christians do not participate in violence. Right?
Live in the present Paul, Christians have not been violent in hundreds of years as an organized religion.
Now, consider these truths. Which society created the freest society in history, patriarchal or matriarchal? Who defends freedom in the world, patriarchal America or patriarchal Europe?
What about the women that always love the men who are mass murderers? What about mothers who are proud of their sons and daaghters that serve in our US military? Can there only be one view for a mother?
It has nothing to do with gender, it has everything to do with values. After all, Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meir both ruled in the manner of the matriarchy because they were clear on how to protect their people.
-Jeremy
I am looking beyond our individual identities, which are definitely inherantly violent, and see life in terms of patterns of behavior. The way we reacted after 9/11, which I was on board with, because I was digging through the rubble on 9/11 with the NYPD and it pissed me off beyond belief that people would do this. I am not commenting about the war, but over time I realized that as a follower of Jesus, I did not want to identify too closely with this national reaction to "terrorism". I understand my own propensity towards violence, and God loves me in spite of it, so since God cares deeply for me, he also cares for the lives of Muslims and does not want them to be "like us", because that would be sad, but wants us to treasure the fact that they too are created in God's image. Also, Americans sometimes kill people too and even brag about it. A little bio. about me is that I took hook, line, and sinker Conservative politics, being a Political Science major, and I thought that conservative politics somehow represented God's "true way". I also worked for the Senate Republican Office at the Captital Building in Harford, CT, for two years, prior to working as a cop for eight years. Working as a cop, I understood how violently humans react towards one another, and this changed my thoughts about fighting force with force, finding it always only produced more violence.
Also, I am sincerely unsure what you meant by the third paragraph, "women love the men who are mass murderers..."?
Thanks.
If woman love these men who do terrible evil, it does not speak well of their character.
As for your opinion of violence, it lacks common sense and God has common sense. The Messiah violently overturned the tables of the money changers in the temple. Now if he was without sin, this was righteous violence. You seem to think there is no longer need for violence and that is not the case.
Israel is the modern day example of God's use of violence. Those who curse Israel will be cursed and any violence on an Arab or Persian nation that threatens israel is going to feel God's wrath.
-Jeremy
Wow, you guys are going at it like two philosophical pitbulls. I kinda like being the spectator in this epic battle. But I must say to Paul Pace that Jeremy has you on the notion that women think monolithically. I don't believe that self-preservation is a male or female thought. The archetype of the Mother Hen instinct shows how deep rooted it is in all of us.....women included.
I've been thinking about your philosophy of non-violence, even in self-defense. I think where you might be making your error is in thinking that the Biblical prescription for individuals is the same as for Governmental Authority. Even if I didn't believe in defending myself because of "turn the other cheek", the Bible clearly teaches in Romans that Governmental Authority has the duty to reward the good and punish the bad. This can only be done through law enforcement, and the military.
I know you want to live out the politics of Christ. Good, live it out personally, but don't use the rule of law and coercive force of the government to constrain others who might be non-christians from defending their property or country. The is their God-given right. "Thou shalt not steal" only applies if there is ownership.
-Paul B.
Hey Paul B., I didn't realize that you had posted a response to this dialogue.
I want to say that I do not believe in the eradication of the government, but I can only speak from the way the New Testament addresses these issues. The problem is that we are not historically ground in the era in which scripture was written to know what the people of "that" society thought, i.e. how they interacted with one another and how Rome used fear to bring humans into submission. Violence was prevalent in Rome and it wasn't until Constantine that Rome became Christian.
What I think in all actuality is simple: God cares about every single aspect of his creation, no matter how good or evil we perceive it to be. That's it. Therefore, when I label a particular nation or a particular people as evil, I should start with my own nation and my own people first. If I am honest about the evil in our midst, then God may allow us to speak into the midst of another culture, only if God allows. Anyways, thanks for the thoughts.
Let me also say that Constantine was horrible for Christianity. You can trace all of the religious wars back to him.
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